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People who cross are going to get fired

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People who cross are going to get fired

Postby Olive » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:10 pm

I heard that if you cross the picket line, the union is going to fire you.

I also heard the union will fine us $1,000/day

I also heard we're going to be banned from "EVERY SINGLE UNION JOB" in canada.

Can anyone help with some answers??


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Re: People who cross are going to get fired

Postby JohnDoe » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:15 pm

I heard that if you cross the picket line, the union is going to fire you.

I also heard the union will fine us $1,000/day

I also heard we're going to be banned from "EVERY SINGLE UNION JOB" in canada.

Can anyone help with some answers??
Last I checked I didn't work for the union, therefore, they can't fire me.

They can indeed fine you, but good luck to them in collecting that fine.

As for the last point. You could be turned down by every TWU job, but your member in bad standing doesn't transfer to every union you try to get a job under. Therefore, you're pretty safe. They have no more power over your job situation as, say, Jane Random out on the street.


Have a great day everyone!

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Postby Olive » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:29 pm

Ok, thanks. Just wanted to make sure :)


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Postby Ash » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:08 pm

And you can bet at the next convention that there will be an constitutional amendment put forward to change the $1,000 maximum fine to $1,000 maximum per charge that results in a guilty verdict.


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Re: People who cross are going to get fired

Postby whatmeworry » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:51 pm

I heard that if you cross the picket line, the union is going to fire you.

I also heard the union will fine us $1,000/day

I also heard we're going to be banned from "EVERY SINGLE UNION JOB" in canada.

Can anyone help with some answers??
As JohnDoe stated, the union cannot hire or fire you. Only TELUS can do that. The union can recommend that you be let go, but that's all it would be: a recommendation, without teeth.

Fines are possible. In order for them to try to collect, however, I believe they have to first find you guilty in a tribunal (aka kangaroo court), and then file a case against you in Small Claims court. IF a court will even hear the case, they would still have to prove that you were guilty of breaking one of the rules of membership you agreed to when you signed your union card.

Chances are that the court will not mandate the entire fine the union is looking for. You didn't rape someone, murder someone, or sell drugs to someone, and traditionally in Canada, white-collar crime has not been punished severely at all.

The threat about being banned from any union job in Canada is akin to the threat you heard in high school, where everything you did there would follow you on your "permanent record" -- hell, after my first month at university, no one gave a rat's a** about what I'd done in high school, so why is anyone going to care what happened during the labour disruption?

Just my opinion, of course.



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Postby urbanscab » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:24 pm

Hey Olive! Take it easy. Do you really think DE is going to let go several thousand of TELUS' best workers in favour of Dumb Bell and Hope Going? Not likely.

A while back the union approched management about having me terminated. The response the company gave was :thumbdown: (I was looking for something more offensive)

Keep in mind that these are the same people that thought TELUS would be brought to its knees.


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Postby Olive » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:20 pm

incase some of you havnt noticed, I was being sarcastic about my original post. thats what the sheep outside were baaaaahhhing about and now that we all know its not true, I figured now would be an excellent time to post



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Postby whatmeworry » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:40 pm

incase some of you havnt noticed, I was being sarcastic about my original post. thats what the sheep outside were baaaaahhhing about and now that we all know its not true, I figured now would be an excellent time to post
Oh, uh, yeah, I totally knew you were being sarcastic! :oops:

Sorry, I'm new to this board and haven't got a feel for everyone yet.



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Postby Ash » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:16 pm

No worries whatmeworry. We'll go easy on you :wink:

PS: Welcome to the board.


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Postby Olive » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:26 pm

I'm evil. :twisted:



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Postby Ash » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:32 pm

I'm evil. :twisted:
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Re: People who cross are going to get fired

Postby haiduk » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:30 am

[quote="whatmeworry"][quote="Olive"]I heard that if you cross the picket line, the union is going to fire you.

I also heard the union will fine us $1,000/day

I also heard we're going to be banned from "EVERY SINGLE UNION JOB" in canada.

Can anyone help with some answers??[/quote]

As JohnDoe stated, the union cannot hire or fire you. Only TELUS can do that. The union can recommend that you be let go, but that's all it would be: a recommendation, without teeth.

Fines are possible. In order for them to try to collect, however, I believe they have to first find you guilty in a tribunal (aka kangaroo court), and then file a case against you in Small Claims court. [b]IF[/b] a court will even hear the case, they would still have to prove that you were guilty of breaking one of the rules of membership you agreed to when you signed your union card.

Chances are that the court will not mandate the entire fine the union is looking for. You didn't rape someone, murder someone, or sell drugs to someone, and traditionally in Canada, white-collar crime has not been punished severely at all.

The threat about being banned from any union job in Canada is akin to the threat you heard in high school, where everything you did there would follow you on your "permanent record" -- hell, after my first month at university, no one gave a rat's a** about what I'd done in high school, so why is anyone going to care what happened during the labour disruption?

Just my opinion, of course.[/quote]

This thing with being banned from every union type job in Canada makes me laugh. What the h..., the Berlin Wall was put down (or broken) some... fifteen years ago! Here is the Free World where everybody has an opportunity! I grew up with fears like this (the Union will chase me down... type thinking) back home, but to hear local people, in the 21st Century, in Canada, being afraid of their past / future work record makes laugh with tears. You are free to do whatever you want in your life just because you were borne or a Citizen here! There is no union that can take away your right to work or associate, from you! I love my job here at Telus, but if somehow, later on, I have to apply for a job somewhere else and the hiring company decides to drop me after the interview just because I was a scab during this labor dispute at Telus, I will sue that company's a** to any court imaginable on Earth! This will be a very strong case of discrimination. And let's keep it at this level. Probably would be many other reasons on my favor, but so far ...I'm not a lawyer. And if there is a Government that would endorse such action from a Union to take against you, then... we are all wrong because the majority voted for it.

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Postby NC » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:47 am

To take Haiduk’s excellent post a step further, I think you will find that being a union member in these days is more, far more, of a bar to entry than being thought of as a scab.

Remember that (depending on who you talk to) 80 to 85% percent of private sector jobs in Canada are non-union. The Public sector jobs have a MUCH higher unionization rate, and when you consider the efficiency and cost of the public sector and you can see why unionization rates are dropping, the model is outdated.



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Postby santina » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:36 pm

Hi Olive:

The Union does note hire people (duh) TELUS does.
Read the Constitution. Max of 1,000 fine.
I like your outfit. cute. :twisted: :P



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Postby boob » Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:20 am

I was told it is up to a $1000 per incident!




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