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I found some more of your dues money...

Postby NC » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:21 am



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Postby dolphin » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:35 pm

So did TWU win or loose?



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Postby green1 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:43 am

So... some senior union members applied for a job. some weren't qualified at all for the position, and some were less qualified, but more senior than, the people who ended up getting the job.
The union grieved the action because the most senior people didn't get the job, but because TELUS did take seniority in to account when doing the hiring, they tried to claim that TELUS ignored their abilities and aptitudes instead.

In doing so, the union proved that they can't even read their own collective agreement, let alone understand labour law.

The collective agreement states that Employees must meet the minimum requirements to do the job. The TWU stated that it was unreasonable for TELUS to set minimum requirements at all. The job was for an outside plant engineering technician. The requirements were:
- having a basic working knowledge of computers
- having a valid driver's license
- not being colour blind
- being certified to do the job
(seems reasonable to me!)

The union further contends that TELUS violated the collective agreement by not assessing the skills and abilities of every candidate that applied for the job, even if TELUS knew from the application form that they had no hope of being successful. (I really don't see why anyone thinks that's a good idea, even as a prospective job seeker I wouldn't want to be interviewed for a position which I have already been disqualified from!)

Then the union argued that TELUS is allowed to decide how important seniority is and weight it accordingly when selecting applicants, but argued that TELUS didn't give it a high enough weight.
First of all, chose one side or the other! Secondly, the original arbiter decided that the question wasn't even relevant to the case, so drop it already!


so... quick summary:

TWU lost.

TWU Appealed, while calling the original arbiter an idiot

TWU lost again, and not only did the TWU loose, they had to pay the court costs for TELUS.



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Postby alec » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:38 pm

Unfortunately it seems that every decision needs to be taken as far as it possible can in the court system. The Union needs to put forward the position that they are doing everything possible for thier members.

In my opinion the members would be better served is the union put the money in the bank to be used in the strike fund.


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Postby NC » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:22 am

Thanks for that summary Green. I too got the feeling (made an assumption) that the applicant had close ties to the union. I have no proof of it but I suspect there woudl be a *lot* of these cases if every the TWU took every person at Telus who was turned down for a job.


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Postby green1 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:36 pm

Thanks for that summary Green. I too got the feeling (made an assumption) that the applicant had close ties to the union. I have no proof of it but I suspect there woudl be a *lot* of these cases if every the TWU took every person at Telus who was turned down for a job.
Although it is likely that these people have "connections", I wasn't actually meaning it in my post, when I said "senior union people" I simply meant union members with a lot of seniority, not people high up in the union (though these 2 are not mutually exclusive)

for that matter, at this point I have more seniority than 3/4 of the people in my department... I almost qualify (except for the whole union member thing... that'll be the day!)



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Postby alec » Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:28 pm

I always wonder how much influence the unions lawyers have with all this litigation. If the union is getting bad advice and taking legal action and losing the vast majority of times then it would appear that the advice they are recieving is not so great. I would have expected around a 50% win ratio.

Of course from the lawyers position they collect their fee no matter what the outcome.

Of course the alternative might also be true. the lawyers might be begging the union to please please not take everything to court when there is no chance of winning and being overruled by the executive


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