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This is the way the twu bargains.

Postby wimpole1 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:07 am

Is this John Carpenter arrogant or what?
This is right on "Invitation to TWU Bargaining Committee" on Facebook
Nothing has changed. The attitude is the same. We have still heard nothing!!

Kody Sebastian Keir Sippel
Hello John, I have read the bulletin posted and signed by yourself and Tamara. I would like to take the opportunity to make you aware that those who were not registered with the site before the COPE incident are left in a conversational black hole where there access and ability to ask questions is limited.

I find your outright refusal to state the issues of bargaining that are currently in contention disconcerting. I must also state that until a clarification of the facts is made it is my honour to support a fellow union even if the support is against my own union. As the facts are currently stated I consciously can not sit by while an employer seemingly acts anti-socially to a union. I must also state that it is the full right of the executive to remain silent and to keep secrets.

Your assertion of "...lot of rumour, misinformation, and inaccurate information floating around out there" has been repeated several times but not backed with evidence of such. Until such evidence is presented, one can only assume that this allegation is false.

Checks and Balances Mr. Carpenter, a democracy cannot survive without it. A free unbiased media would be appreciated, but I will take what is available, and that's the way it is.
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Postby sammy » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:05 pm

Not sure what the COPE issue has to do with the current bargaining situation. COPE is old news by now isn't it? Or am I missing something that connects the issues.


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Postby wimpole1 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:11 pm

It is an old issue that is still carrying on. Do you think it has all been resolved? It is only irrelevant to those who think the way the twu treats its own employees is in any way different than what they think about the membership at large. Who do you think they a bargaining for? Us? Ha!
They're just lining their own pockets at our expense. They're not cashing in you think? Think again.



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Postby sammy » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:06 am

I understand your point of view regarding how the TWU treated their own employees who are members of COPE. Haven't heard whether that grievance was ever resolved or whether its still outstanding.
As far as I know, John Carpenter isn't on the bargaining team. Although I suppose one could argue that the attitude towards their workers permeates everything the TWU does, just as the level of apathy among most of the bargaining unit permeates the work force as it views the union. I'm not expecting anything much out of the new collective agreement, just want to have it resolved. What amazes me is the amount of infighting within the TWU executive, as they all continue to battle and sue each other. It must be a horrible place to come to work if you don't align with whatever the party line is.


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Postby sammy » Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:51 pm

Wimpole, looks like your wishes have come true. TWU bargaining update indicates the union and company positions on at least some of the issues. Now we know what's been taking so long....I guess. Interesting reading.


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Postby wimpole1 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:15 am

It is quite lengthy but here is the link:
http://www.twu-stt.ca/en/bargaining-upd ... ril-5-2011

Do you see anything on there that is a strike issue? It's taken 46 meetings and now more? If they brought this to the membership with a raise, it would be a done deal. How much longer are they going to horse around? What a gig!!



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Postby NC » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:59 am

These things tend to disappear from the TWU site so I have added it here for our readers.

forms/TWU_Bargaining_Update_21_April_2011.pdf


Find - Desiderata - read it

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Postby wimpole1 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:15 am

Darren wants this agreement signed by April 15th. Is that possible? All he has to do is have his people give the agreement directly to the members (who's going to stop him?) and say "this is it". Then the members vote and it's all over. Let's hope it happens so we can all get on with our lives. The twu exec should just go home. They've fleeced us enough.



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Postby Stewie » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:04 am

This is a done deal.



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Postby wimpole1 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:25 am

And here you have it:

Telus reaches tentative contract with TWU

By THE CANADIAN PRESS
Mon, Apr 11 - 10:16 AM

VANCOUVER — Telus announced Monday that it has reached a tentative contract agreement with the Telecommunications Workers Union covering approximately 12,100 employees nationally.
No details of the agreement were made public. However, the TWU said it will recommend acceptance of the pact when it is put to the union membership for a vote in the coming weeks.

``We are pleased with the successful talks we have had in partnership with the TWU,'' Telus president and DEO Darren Entwistle said in a release.

``We believe this is a progressive agreement that effectively balances the needs of our customers, our team members and our investors.''

Telus is one of Canada's leading telecommunications companies, with $9.8 billion of annual revenue. Its 12.3 million customer connections include seven million wireless subscribers, 3.7 million wireline network access lines, 1.2 million Internet subscribers and more than 300,000 Telus TV customers.

Why didn't the union just roll over 46 meetings ago? We all knew exactly what was going on. Lining their pockets! This isn't over. Not by a long shot! Wasn't that brave for the union to recommend that we accept it?



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Postby green1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:37 am

well... being that we still don't know even a single thing that is IN this proposed contract, we have no way of knowing if it's good or not, nor do we have any way of knowing if those 46 meetings were important or not...

The bargaining committee should be ashamed of itself acting like this in a supposedly democratic organization!



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Postby NC » Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:01 pm

...as lamb to slaughter.

Hope it's good for you folks.


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Postby alec » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:56 pm

sounds like the fix was in from early on.


TWwho?

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Postby corwin1 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:11 am

hopefully members will actually read this agreement before voting. There are some serious issues that have not been addressed. It appears that the TWU bargaining committee has once again rolled over for Darren.

In a nutshell:

Pay increases don't even cover inflation

4 year agreement rather than a standard 2 or 3 year (North american standard is 3 years)

No language to protect jobs (Seniority clause)

nothing addressing contracting out


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Wake up people! Democracy is dying!

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Postby green1 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:58 pm

3 year contracts allow members opportunities to decertify, that is why we'll never have one that short.

As for reading the contract... we'd have to SEE the contract first!




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