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Special convention

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Special convention

Postby wimpole1 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:18 pm

ATTENTION ALL CONVENTION DELEGATES
IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING SPECIAL CONVENTION
SATURDAY MAY 7TH, 2011.
As per Article 12 paragraph 2(b) a Special Convention has been requested by 25% of
Convention delegates. Executive Council has determined that the Special Convention
will take place at the Sheraton Guildford in Surrey BC on Saturday May 7th at 8:00 am –
12 noon in the Grand Ballroom.
The statement of business requested by these delegates is to discuss the internal
conflict that exists within the TWU, the cost of the conflict, the memberships’ concerns,
lack of confidence in the TWU-STT, and any remedies or resolves that may be
appropriate.
If time off arrangements are needed, if you are scheduled to work on Saturday May 7th
please do so through your usual time off tools.
Hotel rooms have been extended for delegates with Western delegates checking out
Saturday afternoon May 7th, Eastern delegates will be checking out of the hotel Sunday
May 8th. All travel arrangements have been adjusted to accommodate the Special
Convention.
In Solidarity,
Tamara Marshall,
Acting Secretary-Treasurer


AVIS À TOUS LES DÉLÉGUÉS AU CONGRÈS
RENSEIGNEMENTS IMPORTANTS CONCERNANT
LE CONGRÈS EXTRAORDINAIRE DU SAMEDI 7 MAI 2011
Conformément à l'article 12, paragraphe 2 (b), un congrès extraordinaire a été demandé
par 25% des délégués au congrès. Le Conseil exécutif a décidé que le congrès
extraordinaire aura lieu à l'hôtel Sheraton Guildford, à Surrey en Colombie-Britannique,
le samedi 7 mai de 08h00 à 12 heures dans la salle Grand Ballroom.
L'objet du congrès demandé par ces délégués est de discuter du conflit interne qui existe
au sein du STT, du coût du conflit, des préoccupations des membres, du manque de
confiance dans le STT, et de tout recours ou règlement approprié.
Si vous aviez prévu de travailler le samedi 7 mai et que des arrangements soient
nécessaires pour obtenir une autorisation d'absence, veuillez le faire par le biais de vos
outils habituels de demandes de congé.
Des chambres d'hôtel ont été retenues pour les délégués; les délégués de l'Ouest
devront quitter leur chambre l'après-midi du samedi 7 mai, et les délégués de l'Est le
dimanche 8 mai. Toutes les dispositions relatives au voyage ont été ajustées pour tenir
compte du congrès extraordinaire.
Solidairement,
Tamara Marshall
Secrétaire-trésorière intérimaire



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Postby NC » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:56 pm

So this is for delegates only... will we be blessed with the minutes or notes from this meeting? Please, if possible that would be good.

I am unclear on how a meeting of the current delegates is going to address the issue of internal problems. Am I wrong, or is it a bit like all the foxes sitting down to figure out why the chickens are upset?

What delegates are out there who are fighting for fiscal responsibility?


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Postby corwin1 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:00 am

So this is for delegates only... will we be blessed with the minutes or notes from this meeting? Please, if possible that would be good.

I am unclear on how a meeting of the current delegates is going to address the issue of internal problems. Am I wrong, or is it a bit like all the foxes sitting down to figure out why the chickens are upset?

What delegates are out there who are fighting for fiscal responsibility?
Sigh. doesn't anyone read these days? Article 7 paragraph 8 of the TWU Constitution reads:
Attendance:
Any member in good standing of the Union may attend the Convention as an observer at their
own expense.
You can't vote but you can observe and ask questions once the meeting is adjourned. You could also ask a delegate to put forth a request for "Good of the order" to allow observers to address the conventio0n at the close of the convention.


Wake up people! Democracy is dying!

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Postby wimpole1 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:47 am

corwin1: very smug of you! we don't all live in B.C. I guess, from your suggestion, that a person in Toronto or Quebec should shell out the money to get to Surrey, pay for a hotel and food, because that is the only way they will get to know what is going on. Amazing logic!



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Postby corwin1 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:05 am

corwin1: very smug of you! we don't all live in B.C. I guess, from your suggestion, that a person in Toronto or Quebec should shell out the money to get to Surrey, pay for a hotel and food, because that is the only way they will get to know what is going on. Amazing logic!
smug? Why? Did I mention anything about it being in BC? I realize that it is in BC but I was merely commenting on the point made by NC saying the it was "for delegates only", which clearly it is not.

From a dues point of view it is far less expensive to hold the meeting in BC since there are more delegates in BC than the rest of the country. it is more cost effective not to have to send the BC delegates elsewhere. some may disagree with this but it is a huge expense to hold special convention, as all delegates or alternates are required to attend.
There have been people whining about the TWU lining it's pockets and using up union dues to no end yet these same people are largely responsible for forcing the special convention. Ironic.

No need to get upset about not being able to attend. Try this amazing logic: when he or she returns to your local, speak directly to your delegate about what transpired at the meeting. Since your local members elected your delegate, you have the right to ask that you be properly represented. Here's some more amazing logic: give your delegate a list of questions to ask or information to gather. since the convention is an open forum for delegates they will be allowed to question the executive council.


Wake up people! Democracy is dying!

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Postby NC » Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:17 pm

Third interaction today and watching Corwin is very refreshing. It has been a while since a true TWU supporter has come to the site to interact.

I will remain positive.

Corwin, thank you for the information that is contianed within your CA.
Sigh. doesn't anyone read these days? Article 7 paragraph 8 of the TWU Constitution reads:


Your method of delivery is typical to folks who are "union raised" - confrontational and derisive. If you are surrounded by, or surround others with this sort of method of interaction, communication and its effectiveness drops to nothing. People put up barriers and ignore the contents of your words because they are dealing with the "judgemental" tone of them.

To quote my kids... "I'm just saying". Thank you anyway.


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Postby corwin1 » Sun May 01, 2011 4:36 am

Third interaction today and watching Corwin is very refreshing. It has been a while since a true TWU supporter has come to the site to interact.

I will remain positive.

Corwin, thank you for the information that is contianed within your CA.
Sigh. doesn't anyone read these days? Article 7 paragraph 8 of the TWU Constitution reads:


Your method of delivery is typical to folks who are "union raised" - confrontational and derisive. If you are surrounded by, or surround others with this sort of method of interaction, communication and its effectiveness drops to nothing. People put up barriers and ignore the contents of your words because they are dealing with the "judgemental" tone of them.

To quote my kids... "I'm just saying". Thank you anyway.
Actually, I wasn't raised Union. I'm not trying to be confrontational in the least. I am merely trying to shed some light on fact vs. fiction. I am certainly not pro-TWU by any means. I just believe that organized labour is a good thing in certain circles. Some places it works very well and others it need work.
I simply believe no employer or union is perfect and I feel as a former advocate for the TWU, I try to enlighten others that are exchanging fact for misguided fiction and sometimes anger.
I'm not judging anyone here, simply expressing an opinion and clarifying points that have been miconstrued as truth.

As my Grandfather always said: "Stupidity breeds ignorance. Ignorance destroys fairness."


Wake up people! Democracy is dying!

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Postby wimpole1 » Mon May 02, 2011 3:54 pm

Forget about the dogmatic attitude of corwin1, what about the buffoons that are running for positions of our executive? for secretary treasurer, Tamara Marshall vs Michael Thompson: for Vice Pres. (this aught to be funny), Betty Carrasco vs Perry Pasquelleto (sp). We have now hit an all time low. We think the economy is circling the toilet bowl? we are scrapping the bottom of the gene pool just to get anyone to run for the top positions in our union!! These guys would be out of their depth in a parking lot puddle!! Heaven help us!!



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Postby wimpole1 » Wed May 04, 2011 8:49 am

this is a SPECIAL convention! On the Welcome to Vancouver-Surrey info Bulletin to all convention participants there are (not kidding)under the heading PUBS/BARS - 8 Listed. Next we have RESTAURANTS - 10 Listed.
Next LIQUOR STORES - 2. Next COLD BEER & WINE STORE - 2. next PIZZA DELIVERY - 3. Next GROCERIES - 2. Next COFFEE SHOPS - 2. Under ATTRACTIONS & THINGS TO DO - 7 (which include Fraser Down Racetrack & Casino and Boulevard Casino)
How many of these establishments are unionized? When is there time to get any real work done? These guys are trying to woo and cajole the delegates in any way they can! It has been checked out and this is a first! The twu has never been so blatant as advertising their motives. Maybe you'll be able to tell who all the executive are because they'll all be obese!! The delegates will be lulled into a stupor with so much per diem money to spend that they will vote anyway the exec. tells them to. This has been going on for centuries. Royalty trying to make the serfs feel like their equal. What a pile of rot!!



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Postby sammy » Thu May 05, 2011 1:30 pm

Seems like the convention is pretty quiet, or at least nothing much is spilling out. I don't have time to attend as an observer, however it seems in years past there was a daily bulletin update. I was curious to see who else would venture to be nominated to run for any of the exec positions. Would be nice to see some new blood but that might be too much to hope for.


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Postby wimpole1 » Thu May 05, 2011 1:40 pm

The Bargaining report was only verbal! Nothing in the binder. The fix is aleady in for the positions that are up. Convention is really quiet. The company knows it's done a great job and now can get on with the job of kicking the s**t out of us. Hey telus shares have gone up over 2 bucks.! Yahoo!



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Postby wimpole1 » Fri May 06, 2011 9:49 am

The twu is broker than broke! They are going to try another vote to raise union dues about 1.9%! They believe it will pass. It probably will if only those on side with the twu exec. get out and vote. The twu still has the mandate that if the vote fails they can still dock us one days pay. It will be interesting to see if dinner party Betty or Perry P. will win the vp position. ooh this is scary!



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Postby NC » Fri May 06, 2011 11:19 am

Didn't they just lose a vote to raise the dues a year ago or so?

They will just keep trying until they succeed. How are they burning through so much cash?

Using a $20/hr average wage and 12,000 members, that's more than $9,000,000 a year... nine million!! What the hell are they doing with it?


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Postby wimpole1 » Fri May 06, 2011 4:47 pm

seems like the majority of convention is wondering the same thing. Could that be why there may be a movement afoot to kick John Carpenter (VP) out on his rump? You know that they eat their own. There are many more that should be booted out, but they pick the one and gang up on that one hoping to be let off the hook themselves.
And yes they did just have a vote a year or so ago to raise our dues and it was turned down. The never did take the one days pay because they would have had the whole membership at their throats. Now (since they have already stooped so low) they may invoke it. Stay tuned.



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Postby wimpole1 » Fri May 06, 2011 5:07 pm

Betty Carrasco (VP) is out! That was John Carpenters VP counter part. Do you think the delegates are fed up? John's position is not up this year, maybe that is why they are trying to throw him out a different way.
Perry P. is now vp.




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