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A definition of job security

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Postby goatdancer » Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:54 pm

The TWU is not putting a litle bit too much faith in the binding arbitration solution. The TWU has never before asked for such a thing. The problem here is an intransigent employer who has done everything possible to prevent a negotiated settlement and instead has chosen to try ram their idea of a 'fair' contract down the peoples throats. Binding arbitration is a crapshoot and could really be a bummer. However, when the CIRB initially ordered it, it was the lesser of two evils and the TWU held their nose and said ok. It definitely would have been better than the mess thats going on now. Time heals, but given the nature of the current wounds, I think a lot of us won't be around to see the healing.

"properly negotiated solution" - negotiated is the key word.



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Postby goatdancer » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:11 pm

The whole intent of having unions is to raise the conditions of the exploited masses, not drag the rest down to their level. Corporations have been bombarding us with all kinds of propaganda to make us (the so-called blue-collar workers) believe that we should be willing to sacrifice all our hardearned wages and benefits so that they can pay their top execs obscene salaries and we should be happy to work for whatever they chose to pay us. Look around you. How many pension plans have been raped, leaving long-term employees with no chance of a decent retirement while the ceos get golden handshakes in the millions? It's hard to market a mid 40's and older employee, no matter what their expertise. Tough beans you say? Yes it is. Job security must be fought for or we will all end up like the unfortunate people who really have no hope of any kind of decent quality of life.



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Postby JohnDoe » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:30 pm

The whole intent of having unions is to raise the conditions of the exploited masses, not drag the rest down to their level. Corporations have been bombarding us with all kinds of propaganda to make us (the so-called blue-collar workers) believe that we should be willing to sacrifice all our hardearned wages and benefits so that they can pay their top execs obscene salaries and we should be happy to work for whatever they chose to pay us. Look around you. How many pension plans have been raped, leaving long-term employees with no chance of a decent retirement while the ceos get golden handshakes in the millions? It's hard to market a mid 40's and older employee, no matter what their expertise. Tough beans you say? Yes it is. Job security must be fought for or we will all end up like the unfortunate people who really have no hope of any kind of decent quality of life.
Exploited masses? Give me a break! I hardly call the work we do at Telus exploited. Go work at some place where you actually need to do labour for your money. Then come back and tell me you don't have it good at Telus. You come to work and, in the cases of customer service and operator services, you answer phones for a set period of hours in a day. You get a break every 2 hours so that your "poor eyes" have a break from the computer screen, you can play pool, x-box, foos ball, air hockey, shuffle board, and/or table hockey at work on any break. Internet is provided on in-house free terminals. Fun days are had for these departments every 1-2 months where the company spends thousands of dollars on food/entertainment for these employees.

Exploited masses? More like spoiled brats.


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Postby goatdancer » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:08 pm

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Where does I say that TELUS workers are the exploited masses? I guess its only in the big centers that you have all those playthings. In-house free terminals? Fun days? Thousands on food and entertainment? Our managers were only able to provide cake and coffee to the group whenever there was a significant anniversary (15, 20, 25 yr) for one of us. If this is the new TELUS, maybe they should quit wasting their money on such crap and concentrate on respect, not perks.

The break from the computer screens is part of the health and safety program. A lot of the ergonomic programs were instituted to prevent lost time injuries. Sounds like you would just continue the whippings till morale improves. We left the industrial revolution behind a long time ago.



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Postby Wwood » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:56 pm

The whole intent of having unions is to raise the conditions of the exploited masses, not drag the rest down to their level. Corporations have been bombarding us with all kinds of propaganda to make us (the so-called blue-collar workers) believe that we should be willing to sacrifice all our hardearned wages and benefits so that they can pay their top execs obscene salaries and we should be happy to work for whatever they chose to pay us. Look around you. How many pension plans have been raped, leaving long-term employees with no chance of a decent retirement while the ceos get golden handshakes in the millions? It's hard to market a mid 40's and older employee, no matter what their expertise. Tough beans you say? Yes it is. Job security must be fought for or we will all end up like the unfortunate people who really have no hope of any kind of decent quality of life.
Exploited masses??
PLease tell me you are kidding. Please.

It is competetive world in every shape and form out there. If you are good you can have the pick of telecom jobs from Telus, to Bell to Shaw, etc. If Telus doesn't put forth a good package they will be left with the dregs.
If you are exploited, you have put yourself in a position to be so. Job security can not be fought for it must be earned.


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Postby JohnDoe » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:47 pm

JohnDoe

Where does I say that TELUS workers are the exploited masses?
Here, I'll help you out:
The whole intent of having unions is to raise the conditions of the exploited masses


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Postby Miles » Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:46 pm

JohnDoe

Where does I say that TELUS workers are the exploited masses?
Here, I'll help you out:
The whole intent of having unions is to raise the conditions of the exploited masses
And reading that again you don't see where you reached?



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Postby JohnDoe » Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:48 am

Heh? Reached what? Wow, no wonder the union goes for the confusion route. They're so good at it. That made no sense Miles. Feel free to explain yourself.


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Postby alec » Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:02 am

If people start understanding then there might be some changes to the outcome.....



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Postby goatdancer » Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:19 am

Wwood and JohnDoe

Please read carefully. I will repeat so maybe this time you will actually read my question. My question was 'Where do I say that TELUS workers are the exploited masses?' It's a very simple question. Instead of an answer, all I got was more rhetoric. Also JD, where are all those neat perks located that you mentioned in an post here?



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Postby JohnDoe » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:51 pm

Wwood and JohnDoe

Please read carefully. I will repeat so maybe this time you will actually read my question. My question was 'Where do I say that TELUS workers are the exploited masses?' It's a very simple question. Instead of an answer, all I got was more rhetoric. Also JD, where are all those neat perks located that you mentioned in an post here?
Ok, I think I got you now. You didn't say Telus workers were the exploited masses explicitly. However, you implied it. As for the perks, I assume you mean the pool tables, etc, etc. Those are available at, as far as I know, every Telus campus. Perhaps they weren't there when you left GD, but they are now.


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Postby Wwood » Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:01 pm

Wwood and JohnDoe

Please read carefully. I will repeat so maybe this time you will actually read my question. My question was 'Where do I say that TELUS workers are the exploited masses?' It's a very simple question. Instead of an answer, all I got was more rhetoric. Also JD, where are all those neat perks located that you mentioned in an post here?
First of all where did I say you said that?

However I will explain my post as it relates to yours.
You refer to exploited masses and then you go on to refer to "us, our, we"
I came back in my post and referred to "you". Are you not inlcuded in "us, our, we"? Maybe you should read a little slower. Read the actual words as opposed to what you expect them to be.
The whole intent of having unions is to raise the conditions of the exploited masses, not drag the rest down to their level. Corporations have been bombarding us with all kinds of propaganda to make us (the so-called blue-collar workers) believe that we should be willing to sacrifice all our hardearned wages and benefits so that they can pay their top execs obscene salaries and we should be happy to work for whatever they chose to pay us. Look around you. How many pension plans have been raped, leaving long-term employees with no chance of a decent retirement while the ceos get golden handshakes in the millions? It's hard to market a mid 40's and older employee, no matter what their expertise. Tough beans you say? Yes it is. Job security must be fought for or we will all end up like the unfortunate people who really have no hope of any kind of decent quality of life.


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Postby goatdancer » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:55 pm

Wwood

You are right. Only JD used TELUS.

'Us, we' refers to 'the so-called blue-collared workers' - this is the actual quote "to make us (the so-called blue-collar workers)". I don't think there's any ambiguity there.

Still don't have an answer as to the locations of all those perks. I would like specifics because I know for a fact that there aren't any of those things in this area. Could it be that TELUS choses to treat different work groups or areas in highly different manners? Just another way to pit employees against one another IMHO.



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Postby JohnDoe » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:10 pm

Still don't have an answer as to the locations of all those perks. I would like specifics because I know for a fact that there aren't any of those things in this area. Could it be that TELUS choses to treat different work groups or areas in highly different manners? Just another way to pit employees against one another IMHO.
As I understand it, you are retired. Therefore, I don't believe you have seen the offices since the many changes. As I stated in my last post, I believe that every Telus campus, again not some, every Telus campus that is in operation today has these perks. I can't say for sure as I've only been in a couple of them, but from memos sent out in the last couple years, I believe they were instituted at all campuses.

BTW, your posts are somewhat confusing. In some posts you say you are management, which I'm not inclined to believe, you have also claimed to be retired, which I am inclined to believe. If you are retired, how would you know what perks are available in your area? Retired generally means no access to the interior of the buildings. Perhaps you could explain what category you fall into, and if you are indeed retired, how you have had access to the interior of the buildings to see the lack of perks in your area.


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Postby goatdancer » Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:33 pm

JD

I gather a 'campus' is the new word for office or work site. So by 'every Telus campus that is in operation today has these perks.' do you mean AB? 'I believe they were instituted at all campuses' would also mean BC, right? I have never even hinted at being management in any post. I am retired, and none of us retirees were considered terrorists or other such criminals so as to deny us escorted access into the interior of buildings. I've been there to visit with friends and other former workmates who are still employed, even my former manager (that was earlier this year). After this is over will we become part of the 'unwanted'? I hope not.




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