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Can the company issue an ultimatum?

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Can the company issue an ultimatum?

Postby Ikke » Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:54 pm

:!: Two years ago one of our members, who used to be a plant councilor, very knowladgeble in labour law, informed us that he had gone to the Union head office in Burnaby and laid out a series of events, he expected to happen. Although they did listen to him his advice was ignored.
He explained the steps to us at our local Union meeting. Very scary, especially because all the steps so far have come true.!
One of the steps was that the company would be legally in a position to impose any contract they wanted. Exactly what happened. Also his advice to the Union Executive was not to go the route of the courts and the CIRB.
Another one of the steps he informed us the company legally could take is even more worrying. :!: According to him, the company may have the legal right to issue an ultimatum to us. " Any one wishing to come to work is more than welcome, any one not wishing to come to work will be deemed as to have resigned their employment.
If the company would take that step, which I think is the next logical move on their part, what would we do? Have faith in the Union that somehow the court approach will call the company back? We all know that is an incredible risky approach. Going to court is a very big gamble and the Union's track record is not great

Is there any one out there who has more thoughts on this scenario?



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Re: Can the company issue an ultimatum?

Postby !(a.scab) » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:51 am

:!: Two years ago one of our members, who used to be a plant councilor, very knowladgeble in labour law, informed us that he had gone to the Union head office in Burnaby and laid out a series of events, he expected to happen. Although they did listen to him his advice was ignored.
He explained the steps to us at our local Union meeting. Very scary, especially because all the steps so far have come true.!
One of the steps was that the company would be legally in a position to impose any contract they wanted. Exactly what happened. Also his advice to the Union Executive was not to go the route of the courts and the CIRB.
Another one of the steps he informed us the company legally could take is even more worrying. :!: According to him, the company may have the legal right to issue an ultimatum to us. " Any one wishing to come to work is more than welcome, any one not wishing to come to work will be deemed as to have resigned their employment.
If the company would take that step, which I think is the next logical move on their part, what would we do? Have faith in the Union that somehow the court approach will call the company back? We all know that is an incredible risky approach. Going to court is a very big gamble and the Union's track record is not great

Is there any one out there who has more thoughts on this scenario?
While your story is entirely circumstancial and reads more like an urban legend than reality, (sound like a part Jeff Goldblum should play... the frantic scientist running into the executive office with the proof of impending doom, but nobody will believe him!),
I must admit that there appears to be some merrit behind the 'next step' speculation... Darren already has said that by the end of September, when they have Alberta back to 100% operating capacity, they're done with offers in Alberta and they open the doors in BC. Once they're confident that B.C. is at operational capacity, all the offers are off the tabe save one: The final offer. Vote on it, or tender your resignation because the company is now operating just fine without you.



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Postby Ikke » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:25 pm

I am trying to find the piece of legislation the plant councelor was referring to. No success yet though. He used the term "PAKAR" could be spelled differently. But I agree with you scab that once they have Alberta sown up, they can work on the BC people. Of course I am in B.C. and I wish I had the chance to vote with my feet. I even hear from some of our staunch Union members that they expect that Joe Fontana will get involved but not the way they want. They figure it is al ikely scenario that Joe Fontana will order the vote to take place. We all know that the offer will pass. Lets hope Joe Fontana does this quick




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Postby goatdancer » Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:59 pm

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That link doesn't say anything. There has to be some sort of legislation in the Federal Labour Code. Anybody know how to find it?



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Re: Can the company issue an ultimatum?

Postby Wwood » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:10 pm

:!: Two years ago one of our members, who used to be a plant councilor, very knowladgeble in labour law, informed us that he had gone to the Union head office in Burnaby and laid out a series of events, he expected to happen. Although they did listen to him his advice was ignored.
He explained the steps to us at our local Union meeting. Very scary, especially because all the steps so far have come true.!
One of the steps was that the company would be legally in a position to impose any contract they wanted. Exactly what happened. Also his advice to the Union Executive was not to go the route of the courts and the CIRB.
Another one of the steps he informed us the company legally could take is even more worrying. :!: According to him, the company may have the legal right to issue an ultimatum to us. " Any one wishing to come to work is more than welcome, any one not wishing to come to work will be deemed as to have resigned their employment.
If the company would take that step, which I think is the next logical move on their part, what would we do? Have faith in the Union that somehow the court approach will call the company back? We all know that is an incredible risky approach. Going to court is a very big gamble and the Union's track record is not great

Is there any one out there who has more thoughts on this scenario?
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