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CIBC bank on Strike in Sudbury

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Postby Freelancer » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:20 pm

thanks for the welcome, but ... uhm... freelancer isn't a man ...

i'll forgive you for that assumption!!

i want to talk to/or email people in banking secotr re: CIBC stirke... want to get striker's perspective..not union...not bank... the worker..

email: freelancer444@gmail.com



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Postby green1 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:25 pm

Unfortunately I can't help you a whole lot, however I hope you can send us a link to any article you end up writing about this. We're always interested to see what the media has to say about these issues.



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Postby NC » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:15 pm

:oops: One makes these assumptions... :oops: I know of one particular loose nut who shall remain nameless who is certain I am a female, living in Alberta.

I certainly hope some of them contact you. You can e-mail "Other Side of the Coin" by clicking on the "E-Mail" button under one of his/her :oops: posts.

I sent "Other Side" an email link to this post so hopefully they will email you.


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Postby Freelancer » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:01 am

still havn't heard from any sudbury bankers. I think they are now in week 22 of strike. odd that there hasn't been anything in news about how they are coping financially... not sure who's to blame for the standoff...the union? or the bank??????



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Postby NC » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:29 am

Well the United Steelworkers of America's if Jim Kmit says that the Sudbury employees are on strike for all bank workers. So, my opinion is that the Union is at fault, and the employees of the CIBC are the ones footing the bill.

I gather from some of the news items in Sudbury that the public is getting pretty used to seeing them on strike, which does not bode well for "All bank workers in Canada" that Kmit claims to represent with his troop of 66 Union members in Sudbury.

I guess we'll see. What are they asking for? They need about a $8.00 and hour raise to make back what they lost on behalf of their union.


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Postby NC » Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:15 pm

Well, they're talking again... something had best come forward but if Kmit has his way - they will chew it up and spit back as an insult, we'll see.


http://www.sudbury24.ca/media/1620/On_Speaking_Terms/


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Postby NC » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:18 pm

Well, that didn't take long...

Opinions anyone, should they accept?

http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDi ... ?e=1065913
The offer includes pay raises ranging from 10.2 per cent over three years to 21.9 per cent and bonuses, and retropay of $900 for full-time, $700 for part-time, and $600 for casual workers.


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Postby Freelancer » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:07 pm

so NC .. does the new offer seem reasonable? how long will they have to work to make it back under the new offer?



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Postby alec » Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:06 pm

3.5% per year just about keeps them up to date with inflation.....


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Postby NC » Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:57 pm

As I just told alec in a PM, we are working on a calculator for figuring out strike pay and dues costs per union. I have the mechanics of it but the website part and the research part is a bit daunting.

So, to answer your question freelancer.. I have no idea how much they lost... yet. the challenging part is knowing what their strike pay was, and from what I read, some got more than others, and besides, it ain't over, they may not ratify it.


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new offer voted down by CIBC workers

Postby Freelancer » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:08 pm

the new offer was voted down today. I was told by some workers that it was 76% against the offer and 50 of the 66 workers showed up to vote.

not sure why the other 16 workers didn't show to vote ??? anyone know??

so i guess it's back to the picket lines .... week 22 continues ..

i don't think there were huge expectations that the deal would go thru... apparently 2 of the workers negotiators (they hae 3 workers on a negotiating team along with the union) recommended that voters turn it down.

i'm sure some workers are devastated, but in speaking with workers it seems the offer may have only made them dig their heels in more.

but 22 weeks??? what does this say about the effectiveness of striking? there has to be a better way to resolve this.



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Postby NC » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:39 pm

So 25% of them did not even vote?!??!

So back to the picket lines - 22 weeks gone so far. If they make $13/hr... this must just be a cause for them by now. Freelancer, did they say how much they are making in strike pay, I mean, how much investment do the Steelworkers of America want to make in this project? they really do intent to unionize the entire banking industry on the back of these 66 people.

What did they go on strike for? Do they really believe the Steelworker's line that the bank will pay them some of the billions they claim the "man" in the pin strip suit makes?

This should really be interesting when the TD Bank workers turn comes up again in a few months.... I wonder how Sudbury will do with no banks?

I'd open an HSBC account, but the Steelworkers would probably picket the place to shut that down too.

WOW... guess the world can spin on internet banking alone eh?

Sorry all - I forgot to put this up. it is the thread running on a Sudbury news site.

http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDi ... 5913&auth=


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Postby NC » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:19 am

Here's the Sudbury piece on the Union turning down the offer. What galls me most is that one commenter (who claims to be a picketer) says:
Yes the raises were between 10 and 20% over three years. But..........here is the catch, the raise in the 1st year was guaranteed and the 2nd and 3rd year were going to be based on performance ratings.
What's wrong with being expected to perform? Why is that bad? Unions are there to protect workers rights, and the only "right" not already protected under powerful Canadian legislation is the right to perform below acceptable standards. It's painful to realize that this is the last bastion of organized labour, the right to be protected from the requirement to perform your duties well.

Am I wrong here?

http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDi ... DBURY+STAR


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Postby JJ » Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:18 pm

NC - you have to live in a union town like Sudbury to understand the mind set. these people have lived in the shadow of the mines and the unions since they were born. like you said, the TD is going to be the telling one when they come up for renegotiation because if they go on strike it will be a long bitter one and if i recall it is in january too, so real cold.



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Postby NC » Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:31 pm

Well how come so many post comments on the Sudbury news sites that tell the Strikers they are nuts?

Rhetorical question, I know that many of the union supporters don't come out and play and the main posters to things like that are newspaper readers not employee rights activists.


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