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Union Rates Increase in 2007

Postby Cat Lady » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:26 pm

For the first time in the past quarter of a century, in 2007 U.S. unions increased their share of membership among workers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (BLS) annual union membership report released today. Unions added about 310,000 members last year, raising the unionized share of the workforce to 12.1 percent from 12.0 percent in 2006.
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Postby green1 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:39 pm

12.1 percent...
well, at least it's good to know that 87.9% of the workers know better...



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Postby Cat Lady » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:54 pm

If you look at the numbers, the increase was from 12.0 to 12.1 percent. That's a whole .1%. Doesn't sound like a large number, but then when you see the the .1% is actually 310,000 people it puts things in a different perspective.

That's 310,000 people that are more than likely enjoying a higher wage with benefits.

If I tell 2 people, and they each tell 2 people and so on, and so on. Well you get the drift.



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Postby green1 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:01 pm

That's 310,000 people that are more than likely enjoying a higher wage with benefits.
310,000 more people who pay union dues, are bullied by an outside organization that has no interest in their job, and who will likely loose more money to labour strife than they EVER gain in any fictitious pay raises the union promised them. 310,000 more people who will no longer have a friendly relationship with management, and who are no longer even allowed to talk to their boss about their work conditions, let alone work to better them...

luckily there are MILLIONS more that know better. 0.1% isn't a trend, it's a statistical anomaly, it may be a lot of people, but in a sample size like this, it's not statistically even relevant.



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Postby NC » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:14 am

So, if .1% is 310,000 then 306,690,000 decided against it.

Of the 310, 000 - 200,000 were from California, which is a non right to work state, or non "RTW". This means that in California you can still be unionized without a vote, buy card certification. In Canada that practice is generally being abolished, as it has already been every where else in the the world as non-democratic, due to the (Vacuum Salesman) pressure tactics and intimidation the employee faces in his living room during the drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsJ-aK9P_T4


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Postby Cat Lady » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:38 pm

So, if .1% is 310,000 then 306,690,000 decided against it.
Maybe they haven't been asked yet.

Right to Work usually means, No Rights and No Work.

Are not the RTW states considered the poorest states?



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Postby Cat Lady » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:40 pm

In another thread here there is an indication that unionism could very well grow under the new CAW type agreements. Just walk up to the door and have the company recognise you as the union of choice. Lots of democracy in that.



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Postby green1 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:24 pm

Maybe they haven't been asked yet.
oh unions are very good at "asking" (interpret asking as several large thugs in your living room at 10pm telling you to sign a card)
Right to Work usually means, No Rights and No Work.
so you are against freedom of choice and the right to earn a living?
Are not the RTW states considered the poorest states?
Are not the unionized positions in a company generally the lowest paying jobs?



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Postby Cat Lady » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:30 pm

Maybe they haven't been asked yet.
oh unions are very good at "asking" (interpret asking as several large thugs in your living room at 10pm telling you to sign a card)
You have personal experience with this or are you making this up as you go?
Right to Work usually means, No Rights and No Work.
so you are against freedom of choice and the right to earn a living?
If it was truly freedom of choice then there would be no need for right to work legislation.
Are not the RTW states considered the poorest states?
Are not the unionized positions in a company generally the lowest paying jobs?
Those in RTW states make far less than those in unionized companies.

Thr RTW states are good in the fact they give a good indication of where wages would be without unions and the ability to bargain collectively.



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Postby green1 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:34 pm

unions are allowed everywhere... some places let the employees choose though...



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Postby Cat Lady » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:40 pm

unions are allowed everywhere... some places let the employees choose though...
Some companies don't allow the workers to choose - they choose for them.



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Postby green1 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:42 pm

Some companies don't allow the workers to choose - they choose for them.
ah yes, removing employee choice and forcing decisions on them is only ok if it's the UNION doing it...



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Postby NC » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:53 pm

unions are allowed everywhere... some places let the employees choose though...
Some companies don't allow the workers to choose - they choose for them.
Yes Cat, in 84% of the public sector jobs in Canada the employer chooses for the employee what they are going to do.

in the other 14% the union declares the employer the enemy and fights the employer and in the end gets the same, if not less (UFCW) then demands a tithe for the services.


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Postby Cat Lady » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:25 pm

All unions want a tithing. No different than any other group you belong to such as a church, political party, etc.



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Postby green1 » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:42 pm

No different than any other group you belong to such as a church, political party, etc.
The difference being that every other group I belong to asks for less from me and provides more, I pay more in union dues than I do in membership fees to every other organization I belong to combined (and that's quite a few)
And yet the union has provided NOTHING in return except to try to stop me from earning a living, threaten and harass me, and generally be a pain.




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