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Postby Cat Lady » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:37 pm

The ads were paid for by a group called Albertans for Change, a coalition of trade unions led by the building trades and the Alberta Federation of Labour.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/080116/c ... tack_ads_5

Watch here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqxdDFlrGfA



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Postby NC » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:27 pm

Yes and now the other side is sounding off with press releases of their own. I think it should be illegal to use forced dues to launch political smear campaigns. if the membership votes to try to sewer a political party fine, but it should never happen without the approval of the membership.

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Postby wimpole1 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:44 pm

Thanks CL. Since Ivana Niblett and John Carpenter are both TWU vice presidents, and on the Alberta Federation of Labour Executive Committee, you would think that there would be something on the TWU website to inform the members. If they aren't going to represent all TWU members and keep them informed on political issues such as this then what the hell is their job? I guess collecting the big paychecks is really what it is all about. These guys also worked to get elected and then--no plan. Are we to expect another glossy magazine soon telling us all how wonderful they are?
Good work in letting us all know. It is appreciated.



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Postby NC » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:08 pm

The LabourWatch group has summarized the whole sordid affair.

http://www.labourwatch.com/frontgroup/frontgroup.php


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Postby Cat Lady » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:24 pm

I guess that's all they can do is attack the placement of the advertisements, but they have no rebuttal for the content. Hide the truth by smearing the speaker.



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Postby Cat Lady » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:31 pm

First there is political activism. Next there will be shareholder activism.

Will the Right Wingers then complain when unions and their pension plans become major shareholders and demand seats on the Boards of corporations?



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Postby NC » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:44 am

I guess that's all they can do is attack the placement of the advertisements, but they have no rebuttal for the content. Hide the truth by smearing the speaker.
Not sure I follow, are you saying the Merit/ NCC group is smearing the Union's as the messenger of the failure of Stelmach and they cannot prove their case.

Or, are you saying the Union's rebuttal to the ads is to just attack the messenger?

I am againest political spending for any of this sort of thing. For the most part I think attack ads are just too insulting to be allowed. Stelmach is not on the Union's list of approved parties so they use member dues to smear the guy, when those dues could be put a something a bit more useful.


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Postby Cat Lady » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:24 pm

So you are against the Stelmach gov't using tax payer's dollars to push their "Green Plan?"



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Postby NC » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:45 pm

So you are against the Stelmach gov't using tax payer's dollars to push their "Green Plan?"
The taxpayers voted Stemach in and the group that is slamming him makes up most of the voters who supported the NDP. there are over 200,000 members of those unionized groups... so why did the others not vote NDP, like their union bosses.

The NDP garnered, like 91,000 votes - not much of the unionized workforce supported the NDP, but their union feels they can use their dues to run a smear campaign?

Union dues should not be used for political purposes. If the AFL wanted to run a smear campaign against Alberta's premier they should have sent out a note to all of their members soliciting funds for the effort, not just gone ahead and spent millions of dollars in dues money to try to destroy a political party, right before an election.


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Postby Cat Lady » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:21 pm

Looks like the Ads had some effect. The Stelmach gov't now has a plan.



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Postby NC » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:40 am

I'd harbour a guess that they always did have a plan.

Those ads are designed to drive voters away form Stemach, and into the arms of whatever group the Unions support. The fact that Stelmach did not come out of the box with it until now makes sense.


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Postby Cat Lady » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:48 pm

I made a mistake. It's not plan, just a point form wish list that says vote for me. Gee the NDP could do that with their eyes closed.

A plan would be how they are going to accomplish their wish list.



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Postby JohnDoe » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:40 am

So, the NDP can make a plan, eh? I have it on good authority that they can't even tie their shoe laces without help.

^-- Sample Smear Campaign. Pointless and only meant to make you think about the bad of other parties, instead of focusing on the good of your party. Usually done, in my opinion, when there is nothing good to say about your own party. We teach our children, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all", yet we allow our political parties free reign to not"say something nice"?

It would be like me saying, "CatLady knows nothing, except cats! Don't believe her!", instead of, "You know, CatLady has a point, but I think this and this and here is why, now go ahead and make your own decision."

In the first example, I'd likely vote for CatLady, just out annoyance for somebody else's ignorance. In the second example, I'm being given a choice, and, assuming I agree with the second person's point of view, I'm 10x more likely to vote for that person.


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Postby green1 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:48 am

I used to have a policy where I wouldn't vote for people who launched smear campaings... unfortunately that left me without anyone to vote for... seems every political party is more interested in telling you why not to vote for the competition than why you should vote for them...

Isn't it sad that the only thing political parties think they can offer is "we're not the other guy!"



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Postby Cat Lady » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:58 am

So, the NDP can make a plan, eh? I have it on good authority that they can't even tie their shoe laces without help.
I think you misunderstood the statement that the NDP could make make the same plane with their eyes closed.

The NDP is famous for their long lists of what they would spend our tax dollars on. They have never presented a "plan" on implementing their wish list.

The Stelmach gov't has done nothing more than give me a wish list. Any party can do that.




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