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Bill C-377 - Force unions to open their books

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Re: Bill C-377 - Force unions to open their books

Postby NC » Thu May 24, 2012 3:03 pm

Well I just don't know what to say... I guess Labourtalk has again "arrived" because this thread has been read over a thousand times (aside: and yet no one posts). Grow a pair people, get an account, it's free and anonymous, and let's hear what you all have to say. Besides, I could then run a Poll of our own and see what happens.

I actually say we have "arrived" because I was emailed a very recent Poll done by the Building Trades Council of Canada. This group is like a whole Convention Centre full of the most bloated business unions in our country. These are the "Fat Cats of the Fat Cats" sort of a Top-Gun meets Forbes 500 of the richest of big organized labour in Canada.

Anyway, if you are following the story at all, this is the group that hired an Ontario Conservative think tank marketing group (The story is in this thread) to turn coat and become a pro-left, union sycophantic drummer and horn blower to fight this Bill. Keep in mind that they are using member dues to fund that fight, so anyone in any of those unions who thinks Bill C-377 is good... should be pissed off.

This is what is referred to as a "push poll" which even the extreme left Wikipedia defines as:
A push poll is an interactive marketing technique, most commonly employed during political campaigning, in which an individual or organization attempts to influence or alter the view of respondents under the guise of conducting a poll. In a push poll, large numbers of respondents are contacted, and little or no effort is made to collect and analyze response data. Instead, the push poll is a form of telemarketing-based propaganda and rumor mongering, masquerading as a poll. Push polls may rely on innuendo or knowledge gleaned from opposition research on an opponent.
As an example, Leger qualifies the research with this statement about the “research group”:
735 interviews with members of the various building trades unions across Canada using a list provided by the Building And Construction Trades Department (AFL-CIO). Based on the contact details available in the lists, Leger conducted the interviews via telephone or online as applicable.

(I added the emphasis)
So folks, right outta the gates the people being “interviewed” were from a list that the union gave to Leger, this is not a random poll of Canadians. I read that quote from the report as almost a secret message from the folks at Leger.

Now, enough with the introducitons, here is a Poll that this group of unions commissioned about "Building Trades 2012 Member Research Study"

Sign up for an account people, I want to run a Poll and you can't vote if you're not a member.


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Postby NC » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:01 am

I have been reconnecting with the site and the old favourite TWU:
TWU Representatives Meet with MP to Discuss Bill C-377
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Posted 2012-Aug-3

TWU Business Agent and Political Action Officer, Colin Brehaut, and President, George Doubt, met with Burnaby-Douglas Member of Parliament Kennedy Stewart this week regarding Bill C-377 – An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (Labour Organizations).

The Officers articulated the Union’s concerns about the impact that this legislation will have on the Union and its members including privacy concerns and the detailing of disbursements related to labour relations activities, organizing activities and collective bargaining activities to name a few.

They also expressed the Union’s concern about potentially being forced to hire additional staff to meet the reporting requirements of the legislation and how the Union does not feel that this is a good use of our members’ dues.

MP Kennedy Stewart was open to the Union’s concerns. We appreciate his time and thanked him for his support on the issue. Read letter of thanks sent to MP Stewart.

Your Political Action Committee encourages all members to meet with your local Member of Parliament to raise objections about this unfair, unbalanced and provocative piece of legislation. To obtain further information on this legislation, contact your local Councillor, Secretary-Treasurer, President or Business Agent. To find your Member of Parliament, click here.


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Postby JohnDoe » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:15 pm

I have been reconnecting with the site and the old favourite TWU:
TWU Representatives Meet with MP to Discuss Bill C-377
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Posted 2012-Aug-3

TWU Business Agent and Political Action Officer, Colin Brehaut, and President, George Doubt, met with Burnaby-Douglas Member of Parliament Kennedy Stewart this week regarding Bill C-377 – An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (Labour Organizations).

The Officers articulated the Union’s concerns about the impact that this legislation will have on the Union and its members including privacy concerns and the detailing of disbursements related to labour relations activities, organizing activities and collective bargaining activities to name a few.

They also expressed the Union’s concern about potentially being forced to hire additional staff to meet the reporting requirements of the legislation and how the Union does not feel that this is a good use of our members’ dues.

MP Kennedy Stewart was open to the Union’s concerns. We appreciate his time and thanked him for his support on the issue. Read letter of thanks sent to MP Stewart.

Your Political Action Committee encourages all members to meet with your local Member of Parliament to raise objections about this unfair, unbalanced and provocative piece of legislation. To obtain further information on this legislation, contact your local Councillor, Secretary-Treasurer, President or Business Agent. To find your Member of Parliament, click here.

I love it. It would be nice to have legislation forcing Unions to open their books to the public. About time they are forced to have some accountability ... or at least become more creative in hiding their expenditures.


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Re: Bill C-377 - Force unions to open their books

Postby alec » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:24 pm

I look forward to a continuous escalation of high-jinx as this progresses... :D


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Postby NC » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:34 pm

Yeah, I expect it will become more and more noisy as the time to vote on it draws nigh. I cannot see how any union can possibly say their members are against it. What a** would say "No, let my union keep spending my dues however they want". To be honest, I think we should be more concerned with the fact that big US business unions spend them however they want and it's totally tax free. The Teamsters send something like 45% of it south to the USA. That's troubling.


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Postby NC » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:21 pm

I am so agreeing with Tucker and Stevens, as do many of the comments in thier piece Tory bill on union expenses could trip up businesses in the process on line. Stop making me pay more taxes to carry the load of Big Business Unions, Churches, and failing businesses.

Regarding Big Business Unions, the writers obviously avoid the fact that the Big Business Union’s "income" is from forced union dues, created by forced union membership. (I wonder why they skipped over that fact?)… Anyway, that plan says you pay your dues or you lose your job, and oh we’re going to spend your dues however the executive of this union wants.

Regarding “what’s good for the Goose is good for the Gander” One hears, “If you’re going to make the unions report financials then make <insert union target here> report their financials too” but membership and support for <insert union target here> is “optional” not “mandatory”.

Regarding failing businesses, let ‘em fail I say, but for the most part they unionize, suck up a bunch more money and *then* fail.

I love Canada, but this whole scheme has never worked, and it isn’t gonna work for Canada either.


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Postby NC » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:40 am

I am at a loss of how to post this sort of thing. I was thinking of opening a "Union Corruption" section but... I don't have the time to keep it fed and watered. Go ahead and type "union corruption" into Google and tell me how one could keep track of it all and still hold down a job.

Rather than start that new section I thought I would localize the union corruption issue here inside the C377 thread. I am sort of shortening the whole "Bill C-377" thing down to just C377 because tweeting with a hash tag means you can't have hyphens or spaces so C377 it is.

On to the point, Québec construction industry corruption is the high water mark for modern-day union corruption. No where also in the planet that I know of are unions more corrupt than in Québec. Québec is, to my understanding the only place left on the planet where you are obligated to be a member of a union in order to work in that industry. In other words if you want to swing a hammer in Québec you must join the union. That breaks the human rights laws of every other country on the planet except Canada, giddyup!

Now take that environment where legislation has gifted complete control to organized labour and add the Mafia. You can't help but feel a little bit worried as you put "pen to paper” so to speak and discuss this. It always makes answering the phone interesting when the Caller id says "unknown".

'Donnie Brasco' says Mob controls construction via unions
The Charbonneau commission is looking into corruption in the awarding of public contracts in Quebec, including the role of organized crime in possibly colluding to drive up the cost of those contracts. It's also examining how that corruption might involve unions as well as the financing of political parties.
This is today, at the end of 2012, not the 1930’s. People don’t know this is going on, it still does.

As I have said above, I'm putting this story in the C377 section because the intent of that Bill is to demand unions provide financial transparency so that the authorities have at least some hope of finding this sort of thing.

Pass it on.
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Postby NC » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:32 pm

Wow! Once you turn this rock over and start scratching at the dirt there's quite a bit to be found.

Keep in mind as you read this, it's November 2012, there’s no union corruption these days right?? All that was back in the 1930’s.

The Toronto District School Board (TDSB) pays a union "Council" by the name of Jimmy Hazel, ½ and percent of everything including work performed by union-free workers.
Funds — .5 per cent of every outside contract fee — are deducted by the TDSB from money owing the contractor and transferred directly to [Jimmy] Hazel’s Maintenance and Construction Skilled Trades Council, even though it does not perform the work. Several contractors have told the Star that contractors sometimes inflate their price for school board work to pay Hazel’s group.
Yeah… and that’s not extortion.
"We have to pay Jimmy’s group, it has always been that way," said one contractor who, like six others the Star interviewed last week, asked that his name not be used because he feared losing business at the TDSB.
… and that’s not intimidation and coercion?

Why is *anyone* saying C377 is a bad thing?


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Postby NC » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:55 pm

You will *not* believe this one... where to begin?

One of CUPE's sweetheart internet partners http://www.rabble.ca has joined hands with one of CUPE's communist minions named Humberto DaSilva. In their video on Youtube Humberto (What do his friends call him?... yeah, I got there too). Anyway, I guess Humer strained his leash a bit and decided that Bill C-377 was like the Holocaust and Steven Harper was Hitler. Yes he did, and yes CUPE does pay for this sh!t.

Humberta DaSilva/Rabble.ca brought to you by CUPE is here - and yes, it is offensive.
Can you say "Complete Nutcase"? This guy has one brain cell left and its asleep. I am a member of CUPE. A member for 20 years now and I want to see what they are spending my union dues on. And if I don't like where its going I want to say no, by stop paying my dues. Money talks. Our local sends over 1/2 million in dues to Toronto every year and we see nothing in return for it. But they spend it on stupid s**t all the time. I'm for Bill 377."
Gandalf clap for Super777UTUBE!! All I can say is check out your financials and on this site and you will see way scarier numbers than half a million.
Disgusting. This utterly offensive video was funded and promoted by rabble.ca, whose publisher is Kim Elliottt, partner of the Deputy Leader of the NDP party, Libby Davies. And guess who funds rabble.ca . Major Canadian unions, including CUPE and PSAC. If ever there was an argument for union transparency, this video is it.

Mr. Humberto DaSalva trivializes the unimaginable persecution and industrialized murder of more than 10 million people, including the genocide of 6 million Jews.
...and a respectful bow to Mr. Good, who said it well.
I'm a CUPW member and just found out my union, Canadian Union of Postal Workers, went to a "Free Palestine" conference in Brazil. The conference includes anti-Israel presentations. I don't want MY MONEY supporting bigotry and hate. The only way union members can stop abuse of their dues is by passing Bill 377.
Yeah, like I said, there's that and more. We have the CUPE Financials thread over HERE on the site.

If you go there and download their financials you can find this stuff on about page 117... maybe 114, it's around there anyway. You can see the $10,000 that they gave to Rabble.ca and other issues critical to their Canadian membership like "Pride Uganda Alliance International" and what the hell is the "World Water Congress". I found their site in Montreal and it has been hacked with Viagra and Cialis spam, obviously a very above board operation that benefited enormously from the $31,708 that CUPE's members handed over to them along with $36,074 to what would appear to be a sister program "The World Energy Congress".

Okay... I had to stop digging... "Chaves Back Eagles Awards"... really??

Avail yourself of an education and get involved, learn about Bill C-377 (Hashtag #c377)


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Postby NC » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:48 pm

Yesterday it *seemed* that the House Speaker sent C-377 on to the next steps so you can imagine my surprise when I tuned into Hansard to find the evidence ot post and instead found the HoC debating C-377 again today. Looks like the union dog is being backed into a corner and by "union dog" I do of course mean the NDP. I watched for a while but when an NDP member got up and said something that suggested unions require that all members (sweeping circular motion with his hand) vote on any expenditure over $100, I actually turned it off in disgust. (I turned it back on a few minutes later)

I really want you readers to see what the NDP "talking heads" are saying but I have to wait until the Pralvu evidence is posted.

I am paraphrasing until I get the evidence on line.
"Unions are the largest democratic body in Canada"
“Members vote on any expenditure over $100”
“of 1.6 million union members there have only been 6 complaints about finances”

Keep in mind that these are my recollections of the testimony given by NDP MLA’s and they were viewed through a red mist. Stay tuned for more, once I get that evidence.

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Union members (not just the leaders) have to be careful now because an angry, frightened dog will sometimes bite its owner. If this Bill passes, and it turns out the union bosses have been lieing to those trained NDP attack dogs... I wouldn't want to be the guy holding the leash.


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Postby NC » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:30 am

The things MLA's want you to believe about unions:
...Any expenditure beyond $100 needs ratification not only from the executive board but from the membership. That is right, all of the membership gets to vote on any expenditure beyond $100. The limit of any local union, and any union pretty much across the country, to expense money on behalf of its members is only up to $100.
Malcolm, I'm not sure what union you claim to have been in charge of the finances for but... really? You're telling me that your union, ("KPMG did an audit every six months because the organization was so large") put every $100 and larger disbursement to a ratification vote of the membership? Sorry Malcolm, I just don't believe you.

I would remind all members that the labour movement is the greatest democratic movement in our country's civil society.
What can you say? Go ahead and Google union democracy and see what happens. Alex, you're blowin' smoke, as well as union bosses.

Boulerice goes on and on about the cost of running the program, but not once does he mention that revenue that taxing the Union's $4,500,000,000.00 (4.5 Billion) income would generate. Boulerice moans on behalf of his union boss handlers that it will cost 2 million in the first year. I would like to hear a number from a reader that tell how much tax money that would give the taxpayers of Canada… somewhere near $400,000,000.00 (400 Million) is what I have heard, but I stand ot be corrected. That 2 million would be the best investment a Canadian Taxpayer could ever wish for.


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Postby NC » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:06 pm

Props to Brian Lilley for his tweet about union member’s dues funding the destruction of their own jobs.

I clicked the link he tweeted and got here, Forward On Climate. The site is run by the Sierra Club, but one can find quite a few supporting Canadian groups.

Among them is “The Council of Canadians” whose Board of Directors reads like a CLC committee:
Pam Beattie - Executive Assistant to the national president of the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE).
John Cartwright - President of the Toronto & York Region Labour Council
Heather Smith - President of the United Nurses of Alberta.
Fred Wilson - assistant to the president, Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada (CEP).

So CUPE and CEP and quite a few others (I haven’t dug through the whole list on the Sierra site) are sending money to American groups to end our jobs.

Here’s a video from the website that Canadian union dues helped pay for.

Here's the best one though "Toxic Tar Sands from Alberta Canada" brought to you by Texans.

Tell me again why Canadian should see where forced union dues are spent.


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Postby green1 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:35 pm

Well, seems this bill is now effectively dead. The senate gutted it and made it useless, it's now being sent back to the commons to vote again, but what's the point now?



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Postby JohnDoe » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:57 am

Well, seems this bill is now effectively dead. The senate gutted it and made it useless, it's now being sent back to the commons to vote again, but what's the point now?
Hey Green1, nice to see you around again!

LEGISInfo shows only one amendment, and I haven't had the chance to compare old version with new version. Perhaps NC will have more info? I know NC has been following it closer than I have.


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Postby NC » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:20 am

This came as news to me too. The unions have a lot of Senators in their pockets, and their pockets are deep so there's lots of room.

I want to see what the backflash of this will be. I will post what I hear.


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